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Painting on Dibond

Dibond is a trade name for a type of painted aluminum composite panel made by Alcan Composites. There are other brands and types of Aluminum Composite Panels that may have a bare aluminum side or different types of coatings, which may require different surface preparation.

Dibond panels are made with two lightweight sheets of .012″ aluminum with a solid thermoplastic core. Both sides of the aluminum are coated with a polyester paint. The advantages of this type of panel are:

  • Dimensional stability
  • Very lightweight
  • Relatively inexpensive
  • Available in large sizes
  • Long term durability

The current information from the Fabrication Manual from Alcan/3A Composites says that the best direct adhesion occurs after lightly scuff-sanding the painted polyester surface followed by wiping with isopropyl alcohol, and then application of properly selected paints. They also caution not to sand through the coating to the aluminum surface. Acrylics are mentioned among the list of “suitable paints”, and this suggests that many of our Acrylic Mediums, Gels, Gessoes and other waterborne acrylic products should have similar adhesion. With some higher viscosity products, however, an effect called “hold out” is a possibility, and variations in a formula could alter adhesion, so we always encourage testing. It is very important not to touch the cleaned surface with your fingers as this can leave oils that will interfere with adhesion. They also recommend always testing the paint system you are using for adhesion and suggest a cross hatch adhesion test, which is something we also often recommend. The following are adapted from both their guidelines and the testing we do:

  • Apply the paint or ground and let dry for a minimum of 24 hrs. As both sides of the Dibond panel are the same, you can use the backside for testing if desired, leaving the front untouched for now.
  • Over a 2” square area, using a razor blade or X-Acto knife, cut a series of parallel lines 1/8” apart. Then cut another series perpendicular to these, to form a crosshatch pattern.
  • Make sure to only cut through the paint and not through the Polyester coating.
  • Apply a piece of strong masking tape to the center and burnish.
  • Peel the tape straight back at a 180 degree angle in one rapid movement.
  • For best adhesion, no paint squares should come up.
  • If any parts of the squares do come up, the test can be repeated after 3 days, 1 week, and even 2 weeks. It is not unusual for some coatings to improve in adhesion over time, depending on application and environmental conditions.

If there is need for increased adhesion, or for an exterior application, we recommend applying a suitable commercial primer to the prepared surface. These are often called “bonding primers” and are made for hard, non-porous surfaces. Two that are widely recommended are included below in our testing. While Alcan does not mention oil paints as one of the “suitable paints” for use directly on Dibond, once you have a suitable primer applied, then oil paints or an oil ground can be used.

Here is a link to the Fabrication Manual for 3A Composites’ graphics display products:

http://graphicdishttp://graphicdisplayusa.com/downloads/Dibond%20Fabrication%20Manual_May%202011.pdf

We selected four products to test for adhesion to the sanded Dibond surface:

  1. Sherwin Williams DTM Bonding Primer
  2. XIM’s UMA ( Urethane Modified Acrylic ) Bonder Primer ( white )
  3. Golden Artist Colors Gesso ( White )
  4. Golden Artist Colors Heavy Body Acrylic – Pyrrole Red
Adhesion test Products

Adhesion test Products

We determined that the DTM Bonding Primer and the UMA Bonder Primer would be the best two commercially available primers since both specify use on polyester coatings and other hard to coat surfaces, and we have seen successful applications with these products in the past. This does not mean that other similar primers could not work as well. PLEASE NOTE: While all the products we tested can be used for interior applications, we DO NOT recommend our Gesso for exterior use.

As a first step, we lightly sanded the polyester painted surface on a piece of Dibond using 150 grit (Fine) sandpaper making sure not to sand through to the aluminum, and then degreased it with isopropyl alcohol, wiping enough to remove all of the fine white powder from the surface.

Peeling backer off Dibond

Peeling backer off Dibond

We then divided the Dibond panel into 4 sections and applied the coatings using a white bristle brush in one relatively thin layer. The coatings were tested for adhesion using the Cross Hatch Adhesion Test at 24 hour, 3 day and 1 week intervals. We use a standardized adhesion test kit that contains a special type of tape, a burnishing tool and an 8 blade knife to make the cross hatch cut pattern, which creates 49 small squares on the test area. For the maximum adhesion, no pieces of any of the squares should come off. This is always the ideal to aim for. If any squares come off entirely, then one has complete adhesion failure. If small bits come off, retest after several days or a week has passed and see if there is improvement.

Tests for adhesion using the Cross Hatch Adhesion Test at 24 hour, 3 day and 1 week intervals.

Tests for adhesion using the Cross Hatch Adhesion Test at 24 hour, 3 day and 1 week intervals.

Results were good to excellent with all the products, with no squares coming off at any of the time intervals. At 24 hours our Gesso and Heavy Body Acrylic had good adhesion with some minor failure as tiny bits of product were pulled off with the tape, primarily on the subtly thicker ridges produced by the brush. Both of the commercial primers had excellent adhesion after 24 hours. At both 72 hours and one week, the Gesso showed some very minor flecks of paint still lifting, while the Heavy Body paint was now performing quite well.

It is interesting to note that while both of the bonding primers worked equally well, they have very different colors and surfaces. The DTM primer has a pale greenish gray color and is quite toothy, almost like our Acrylic Ground for Pastels, and could easily take pastel and various dry drawing media very well. The UMA primer was much smoother and a pale warm white color. However, it is important to point out that these primers were made to be covered with paint so we cannot assume there would not be changes to their color, as they are not fine art grade products. Also, whenever using commercial products, please remember that they can often change without notice, so testing and reading the company tech sheets is always strongly recommended.

Finally, while a simple light sanding and degreasing with alcohol allowed painting directly on Dibond with our Heavy Body paint, and this should be true for our other acrylic paint lines and products, our test obviously did not cover all the possible materials, applications, and environments you might be working in. So it is always important to test. If for any reason you need increased adhesion, then the bonding primers we tested could be an alternative to look into.

31 Responses to Painting on Dibond

  1. Jill Nathanson February 2, 2016 at 9:46 am #

    HI Scott,
    Thank you for this excellent survey of your findings! I’m thinking that I’ll use the UMA primer and then one or two coats of Golden gesso to assure a white ground that won’t change. Does that sound right/necessary? Thanks.
    Jill Nathanson

  2. Scott Bennett February 2, 2016 at 10:30 am #

    Hi Jill. You are most welcome! Applying a coat or two of our Gesso over the UMA primer sounds like a good idea. The only other thing would involve creating other types of painting grounds over the Gesso, if your painting method might require a surface with more or less absorbency.

  3. Andrew Werth February 2, 2016 at 1:53 pm #

    Thanks for this much needed “official” article about Dibond! Because I sometimes like to keep the reflective, brushed aluminum showing through, I have used a “primer” composed of Matte Medium and GAC-200 (“Improves Adhesion to Non-Porous Surfaces”) with good results. I have found that if I let this dry for at least 48 hours the adhesion is excellent.

    Additional Tip (from experience): Make sure the aluminum composite panel is the kind with the polyester coating (not raw aluminum!) and don’t sand all the way through it (as mentioned above).

    • James June 1, 2017 at 1:37 pm #

      I love GAC-200 as an intercoat, but I would NOT use it as a sealer or primer. Run your GAC-200 under slightly warm water and see what happens. There are much better products out there. Createx Transparent Sealer is the best option for waterbased, and Glisten PC is the best for urethane. GAC-200 and Novacolor 235 make fantastic intercoats.

      If you are painting on bare metal (not dibond with its layers of plastic outer coating), you should be using an adhesion promoter for steel, copper, etc. Even with aluminum I will throw one on sometimes for extra adhesion.

      • Scott Bennett June 6, 2017 at 8:30 am #

        Hi James,….We would also agree that there are most likely better products to use as metal and aluminum primers than our GAC 200. It was not designed for this purpose. Can you tell us more about what you have seen when you run a fully dry and cured film of GAC 200 under warm running water? We would not expect any changes to occur unless the film were held under water for a length of time, as it would become blanched due to moisture absorbing into the film, but then this would happen with any fine art grade water borne acrylic film as they remain micro porous to air and water vapor. But, simply running under warm water should not produce any changes to the film, unless it was not completely dry and cured. GAC 200 must cure at 70 degrees F or higher to produce a fully cured film. And we agree that some kind of specialized aluminum primer is best for aluminum. Mark Golden addresses this and more in his article on Painting on Metal. We have theorized that Incralac may work well as a kind of translucent primer for aluminum, as it will also reduce any incidence of oxidation, which can still form under many types of films on aluminum and at least theoretically, might cause delamination over time.

  4. Roy Kinzer February 2, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

    Great article by Scott!

    All my acrylic paintings in the past 4-5 years have been on Aluminum Composite Panels preparing the surface this way.

    2 years ago I started working with watercolors and treating the aluminum with Absorbent Ground after the gesso and industrial primer (I’ve been using Sherwin Williams – Extreme Bond Primer a relatively new product) and then doing QoR Watercolors on that. I spray 2 coats of Archival Varnish to protect the watercolors and free them from the need to be under glass. Really great results.

    Roy Kinzer

  5. Scott Bennett February 3, 2016 at 12:34 pm #

    Thanks for your kind comments about my article, Jill, Andrew and Roy!

    We do not have any long term testing of GAC 200 and Matte Medium on brushed aluminum, and the important thing here is that this coating will not stop the aluminum from tarnishing over time. There are some coatings that apparently will help with this. Again, we do not have testing with these products to cannot recommend with full assurance. We suspect that Incralac, a coating used on non-ferrous metals like bronze and brass to protect and slow down or block oxidatiion, can also be used on aluminum. They are translucent but may yellow over time.

    Roy,…thanks for the information about your method of doing watercolors on Absorbent Ground on Aluminum!! Very Cool!

    • Scott Bennett February 3, 2016 at 2:30 pm #

      I do want to add that we have seen good adhesion of our Fluid Matte Medium on lightly sanded aluminum and that we suspect adding in some GAC 200 could assist with adhesion. And I want to retract my mention of yellowing with the Incralac as this was only conjecture. Most translucent coatings do have changes over time, so we wanted to make sure that if total clarity was important, this might not be a guarantee. Incralac does contain UV inhibitors which we know can assist with maintaining more clarity in acrylic films over time.

    • Andrew Werth February 4, 2016 at 7:20 am #

      I should clarify that the “brushed aluminum” color I referred to is actually Dibond’s “brushed silver” metallic color and it is still protected by the baked laquered (polyester) coating, so I don’t think there should be an issue with tarnishing. The paint should adhere as well to this as to any of the other colors of coated Dibond panels.

    • James June 1, 2017 at 1:33 pm #

      ” this coating will not stop the aluminum from tarnishing over time”

      I am perplexed by this question. Bare aluminum will not tarnish if you use materials that are designed for it. This includes waterbased sealers and paints that have been formulated for painting on metal.

      What is very odd to me is that this entire discussion (which I guess is a valuable contribution in a sense) is being conducted without so much as a single reference to a vast industry that specializes in painting on metal.

      That industry, of course, is the automotive industry. Cars are basically painted aluminum or steel, exposed to the sun for years in a variety of temperatures, humidity settings, etc. Engines put out extreme heat, as does the sun in places like Arizona.

      Yet, there is nary a reference to automotive painting technique, to books, to videos, or to experts. Madness. Anyone who has studied automotive painting techniques (particularly custom painting ones) will know that it is common to paint over ground metal aluminum panels with waterbased paints, followed by some form of clear coat for protection. Createx Acrylics makes fantastic sealers for preparing metal surfaces, but they are often not required for applications on aluminum. Craig Fraser, for instance, just paints directly on the aluminum surface.

      There are urethane primers, polyester primers, acrylic waterbased sealers available for use on metal. Common paint choices include solvent-based urethane (e.g., house of kolor) and waterbased (e.g., Createx AutoAir or Wicked).

      Since cars have to hold up over a much greater temperature range than indoor art, any technique used by automotive painters is safe for artists. I recommend that you direct your readers to check out some videos from this industry. After all, these people pay their mortgages based on whether or not their paint jobs hold up to extreme conditions.

      As for dibond, my own recommendation (after taking many classes with custom painting experts like Cory St Clair) is to scuff the surface and either paint directly on it (with airbrushes and relatively light layers of paint), or if you want thicker paint layers to spray apply a coat of Createx Sealer or some other primer. Sand that when you are done with 600 grit. Properly done, a spray application results in better adhesion than applying a primer with a brush. If you can’t manage to learn proper spray gun technique, well… you might want to reconsider painting on metal surfaces. Failing to use best practices is unprofessional.

      • Scott Bennett June 15, 2017 at 12:22 pm #

        Hi James,

        Thanks for your comments. I am not sure where your quote is from …” this coating will not stop the aluminum from tarnishing over time”,..as it is not from this article. But, we have made similar suggestions to artists in the past if they want to use a translucent acrylic ground directly on aluminum. We have seen pretty good adhesion directly on roughed up or sanded and degreased aluminum with our paints and mediums, however, our best advice for aluminum, is to use a dedicated aluminum primer that contains components for reducing oxidation.

        “Bare” or raw aluminum comes with a microscopic oxide on the surface as it oxidizes almost immediately. While we do not have testing to prove that aluminum will continue to oxidize under certain coatings, we suspect that it could. We also suspect that over time, the oxide formation might,.,.and I stress might,..have some effect on adhesion of come coatings. We prefer to err on the side of caution with this.

        We refer to the auto industry routinely in answers to questions regarding painting on metals. We often suggest auto body primers and auto body clear coats, and in fact this is always our advice for using our products directly on metal for any exterior use, in particular. This short article was very specifically about painting on Dibond, not directly on raw metal surfaces so was not the place to discuss the issues you reference.

        If you find that certain products work well for you then we would always suggest using those products. Fine art use often requires some different preparations and recommendations that dovetail better with an artists particular ways of working.

        Our experience does not back up that a spray on coating will always have better adhesion than a brushed on coating. And as noted in this article, we did not test all primers available, but found the ones we did test worked as noted. You will see that we also found our acrylic paints adhered quite well directly on the sanded polyester paint surface. For more details about painting directly on metals and specifically on aluminum, I would refer you to Mark Golden’s article “Painting on Metal”…Painting on Metal: An Introduction, by Mark Golden: http://www.justpaint.org/painting-on-metal-an-introduction/

        • james October 3, 2017 at 5:59 am #

          Forgive me if I misunderstood, but your comment in this thread was about ‘brushed aluminum’. That means, to me, aluminum that has been given a surface texture but without a polymer coating. Hence, that would be bare aluminum unless it you mean an anodized ‘brushed’ surface.

          “Our experience does not back up that a spray on coating will always have better adhesion than a brushed on coating”

          That’s cute. It is also not convincing. How many quality assurance teams do you have running around the country making sure that your products are not peeling?

          Well, the auto manufacturers and paint companies like PPG have massive quality assurance programs. They have teams of people who go around cities looking at car finishes. The same is true of industrial paint companies like GCI.

          If brushed-on coatings are competitive with spray or powder coatings, why don’t we see industrial manufacturers using brushes? Brushes are actually easier to control, they waste far less material than spray guns, and they don’t require the heating equipment that powder coating does.

          They don’t use brushes because the adhesion and consistency of film thickness aren’t as good as with spray or (better yet) powder coating techniques. If brush application was leastwise competitive, you’d see at least a few industries using it.

          By all means, continue to do tests for the use of fine arts materials on hard surfaces. Golden is an awesome company that makes top notch fine arts paints. However, the entire art industry has even a fraction of the QA support that the industrial and automotive coating industries can summon up. I shudder to think of fine artists spending hours on fine art only to find that their work is separating from the support due to poor technique or choice of materials.

          PS: prices on dibond for artists are unreal. Just go to a building supply store, buy some and cut it with a knife. Easy to parcel up.

          • Scott Bennett October 3, 2017 at 10:02 am #

            Hi James,

            The discussion did take a turn into the issue of painting directly onto aluminum, although the main thrust of the article was painting on the polyester paint coating on Dibond. And while I did not mention “brushed aluminum” specifically, I did mean some kind of abrading of the surface to create more surface area contact with a coating, for the purpose of increased adhesion. This is something that the coatings industry at large suggests routinely with many kinds of coatings applications. What we try to do is flesh out a ‘best practice’ with what we know to date, which can often include unknowns.

            I did not mean to reference anodized aluminum.

            As for spray vs brush on coatings, we are aware of some situations where brushed on applications can create better adhesion simply due to the physical action of the brush on a surface which can create more surface area contact, and where a spray on coating on certain surfaces may have less surface area contact. Much can depend on the expertise of the user. As for why the industrial sector uses spray applications over brushing applications, I think it is pretty clear that spraying is much more efficient, especially for 3-D objects. It is hard for me to imagine a brush on application of an auto body. I think you are exactly right about the fact that spray application will produce a more consistent and even coating if done right, and there are many situations where we do suggest spray applications for the best results.

            We do not have quality assurance teams “running around the country” making sure our products are not peeling. We do, however, assist thousands of artists every year with issues like this and more via our tech support team. We have visited artists studios to investigate situations where anomalies or other issues may be present, and we pride ourselves on being unique in the industry in the amount of testing and research we do. We answer thousands of questions every year helping artists to make better decisions with their materials. While we may not be running around the country, we are regularly fielding questions, looking at photos of work, testing, sharing our information, and helping artists manage this often complex landscape. Whenever fine art grade products are combined with other kinds of products, there can be variables at play that create questions and more risk.

            What we do have here at Golden Artist Colors, is intensive and constant testing and research on our products and other products to insure quality and consistency and to increase our knowledge base about the use of fine art grade materials for artists. Whenever we do not know something, we say it. And, we do regularly reference other industries that know more than we do about specific coatings applications. How that dovetails into fine art use, is not always clear, and again, we think it is important to state this. Artists have and will always use materials and methods that might have significant unknown variables. Our preference is to suggest more known materials and methods, while also respecting the experimental nature of art making.

            I think if you read Mark Golden’s piece that I suggested previously, you will see that the issue is complex and not enough known to be so definitive about fine art use of aluminum as a substrate. Here is that link again:

            Painting on Metal: An Introduction, by Mark Golden: http://www.justpaint.org/painting-on-metal-an-introduction/

            We typically offer caveats to our suggestions about painting on metal in general, and we do routinely reference both the auto industry and the industrial coatings industry at large, and suggest that one must manage the overall risk management of the situation within the fine art applications scenario. In the end it is all risk management as even auto coatings and industrial coatings will fail at some point in time. There are many variables at play.

            If you have more questions, please feel free to contact us at: help@goldenpaints.com

          • Scott Bennett October 3, 2017 at 11:00 am #

            I just learned that Dibond does make a “brushed aluminum” panel, but like its other products, this has a polyester coating that is clear. So one can have a brushed aluminum effect without painting on actual raw aluminum. And of course with Dibond, the goal is to scuff the polyester and not break through to actually scuffing the metal itself.

            For reference see:
            http://www.tri-dee.com/Dibond%20Aluminium%20Composite%20Panels.htm

            “3A Composites USA Inc. is pleased to announce the introduction of our newest Dibond material ,brushed aluminum finish. This new composites material finish has polyester clear-coat applied over the brushed aluminum finish. Protective masking will come standard, applied to the brushed aluminum side of sheet”

  6. Keith Barnett February 3, 2016 at 2:15 pm #

    Thanks you for the information and testing. This is the first time I have heard of Dibond. I think I will have to try it out.

  7. Dean Anthony February 3, 2016 at 3:20 pm #

    Any experiments with oil paint?

  8. Scott Bennett February 4, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

    Hi Dean,

    You can most certainly use oil paints, and while there will probably be good adhesion directly to lightly sanded aluminum, we would recommend applying one of the primers we tested on the sanded polyester paint, and then the oil ground or gesso or other painting ground of your choice that will be suitable for oil adhesion. If you wanted a translucent ground, we have recommended using our Fluid Matte Medium directly on sanded raw aluminum.

    I do mention oil paints briefly above, in my article. Here is the segment:

    While Alcan does not mention oil paints as one of the “suitable paints” for use directly on Dibond, once you have a suitable primer applied, then oil paints or an oil ground can be used.”

    • James June 1, 2017 at 1:46 pm #

      “If you wanted a translucent ground, we have recommended using our Fluid Matte Medium directly on sanded raw aluminum”

      This is not good advice. On bare aluminum there are much better (stronger, more adhesion) products out there. Golden Fluid Matte medium versus Createx Transparent sealer is not a competition. The latter is much stronger, with better adhesion. Do a scratch test or put them in high temperatures to see the difference.

      As I said in my other post, as soon as you are painting on metal you are in the realm of automotive painting. The auto industry is FAR better than you guys at painting on metal surfaces. If you are not using their techniques and materials, you are not using best practices. If you want to paint on metal you should be following their techniques, and I challenge you to find me a single automotive painter in the world who would start a job by using an acrylic medium as a sealer or primer.

      As for oils, you can also consider the use of a proper industrial alkyd base coat over either the plastic outer layer of the dibond, or over a primed raw metal panel. Gillespie Coatings makes some great industrial strength alkyds that are used by the military, among others. The other big paint companies also have alkyd primers and the like. These can be brush applied, but spray application is stronger. After letting it dry, sand it with 600 to get enough tooth for an oil painting layer to stick.

      You should not be

      • Scott Bennett June 15, 2017 at 12:46 pm #

        Hi James,

        Again, I am not sure exactly where this quote came from, as it is not in this article, but it is something we have mentioned to artists over the years.

        Our advice to use our Fluid Matte Medium directly on lightly sanded aluminum as a translucent ground, is one that we have made on occasion when an artist wants to use our products on aluminum and is either painting with acrylic or oil. The Fluid Matte Medium provides a light tooth that allows better adhesion with oil paints. It is certainly most likely that there are other products that will have better adhesion, but the Fluid Matte Medium on sanded aluminum will have good adhesion.

        Again, if you or other artists find materials you like and that work well, by all means use them. And we always recommend testing to learn more about the specific adhesion and visual effects of any products you might use.We are not sure what kind of “high temperatures” you are referring to here, but we would not recommend using our products or any acrylic products ( I assume Createx is an acrylic dispersion product ),…as above 300 degrees F acrylic films will begin to degrade.

        All fine art grade acrylics will be relatively soft and so of course they can be easily scratched. For the best testing of adhesion we always recommend the Cross Hatch Adhesion Test. Here is a good article on testing…Testing for Your Application http://www.justpaint.org/testing-for-your-application/

        And yes, again, we do regularly recommend automotive primers and clear coats when appropriate. We would still recommend a dedicated aluminum primer over other types of metal primers if using aluminum as a substrate and if concerned with longevity. These types of primers may be alkyds or urethanes. Finally, I would recommend reading Mark Golden’s article on painting on metal and aluminum here: Painting on Metal: An Introduction, by Mark Golden: http://www.justpaint.org/painting-on-metal-an-introduction/

  9. Stephen February 29, 2016 at 9:47 pm #

    Thank you for the article. Appreciate that there might be a more rigid surface than canvas or paper (board) and lighter than masonite that might handle size.

  10. King Farish September 19, 2016 at 4:20 am #

    Just checking to see if I am understanding your opinion , correctly. The commercial primers bonded better , but there are concerns about consistency and content of the material. Would these concerns extend to eventual changes in the painting ? Secondly , it sounded to me like you thought golden heavy body held up better then the acrylic dispersion ground.
    I want to use Golden gesso / acrylic ground and then Golden paints and not work with the commercial primers would it be less strong than starting with the commercial primer ?
    Thanks in advance !

    • Scott Bennett September 19, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

      Hi King! There will always be concerns, and the reality that products may change formulas without notice to the public, and that we have no control over that. This is why we mention it, and why we always recommend testing. We would doubt that these changes would translate into eventual changes in the painting, but this can only be an educated guess.

      There was a very subtle difference in this test between our Heavy Body Acrylic and our Gesso at 72 hours. I would not think this tiny difference would make any significant difference in the adhesion, long term.

      From what I saw in this testing, and this is what I state in my article,….the commercial primers had the best adhesion more quickly, and so we think if you want that increased adhesion, then go with those products, but that the Gesso and HB paint performed very good too. While we can rarely make guarantees, it does not appear that you should have any problems with using our Gesso, following our best recommendations for preparing the surface.

  11. Dan September 19, 2016 at 5:25 am #

    Hi Scott, thank you for this very useful article!
    Do you reckon OMS would make for a good alternative to isopropyl alcohol during the cleaning process of the polyester surface (prior to gessoing)?

    • Scott Bennett September 19, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

      Hi Dan,

      You are most welcome! Much depends on what you are degreasing and for metals, stronger solvents like acetone or mineral spirits are often recommended, but for this purpose, we think either rubbing alcohol ( typically 70% ) or stronger 99% isopropanol should be fine, and much safer than acetone or even the OMS. It evaporates fast and should remove any small amounts of oils or other surface contaminants.

  12. JB October 15, 2016 at 9:55 pm #

    thanks for this info. What would u advise for adhering raw (acrylic primed) linen (or arches oil paper) to Dibond? Are the commercial products acidic so apply coats of GAC or acrylic gesso before the linen then gloss gel medium to adhere the linen or paper? Then 2thin coats of gesso over the raw linen (does the linen also need a SID GAC layer)? I’m thinking of using fine lightweight linen. Any tips for getting out air bubbles without squeezing out of too much acrylic gel? Thanks

  13. Scott Bennett October 17, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

    Hello JB,

    We generally recommend using our Soft Gels to adhere paper or canvas to panel. The commercial primers should not be acidic and so you can simply prep the Dibond as I recommend and go right to adhering the paper or linen onto that surface. If you are painting with acrylics or oils we do recommend that you size the linen with a coat or two of our Polymer Medium to block oil from getting into the linen, or to block SID from getting into any more translucent acrylic films. You can then apply our Gesso over the Polymer Medium.

    Lightweight linen might be tricky in terms of some of the Gel getting through to the front as you press it down into the wet Gel. It may squish up through the more open weave. A thin, brushed on coat of Soft Gel ( Gloss) on one side of the Linen allowed to dry before gluing down can help. Make sure to secure the linen on a board, stapled all around so it will shrink evenly and not deform when applying the Gel. Just in case make sure you have a sheet of polyethylene plastic under the linen. Then remove when dry. Lay that side down into the wet Gel.

    A printmakers brayer can work well to smooth out the linen and the wet Gel underneath. Here is a link to a video showing a simple method for adhering watercolor paper to panel:

    Adhering Watercolor Paper to Panel: http://www.youtube.com/user/GoldenPaints

  14. Joelle Dietrick January 2, 2017 at 11:04 am #

    Hi Scott, any thoughts on storing Dibond? Headed to a residency and have a stack of the stuff that I’ll paint with acrylics. Then need will need to drive 14 hours home. Temporary then permanent storage plan needed…

    • Scott Bennett January 3, 2017 at 10:47 am #

      Hi Joelle,

      It has less to do with storing the Dibond and much more to do with storing and handling any surface painted with fine art grade acrylics. The main issue has to do with the relative softness of acrylic films and that they will get softer at warmer temperatures ( thermo plastic ) and then potentially stick to other surfaces and also become ferrotyped. The best way to store any acrylic painting is with nothing touching the surface. This is not always possible, but generally accomplished with various kinds of collars around the painting to maintain some space in between the painted surface and any other surface. For panels like Dibond you may need to create some kind of rack system where they are standing upright to reduce pressure, and then use silicone release paper as your slip sheets.

      Here is a good article for you: http://www.justpaint.org/safe-handling-and-transportation-of-acrylic-paintings/

      I hope this is helpful, and best of luck at the residency!

  15. Peter_P August 7, 2017 at 9:11 pm #

    Hi Scott,

    This has been a topic of interest for me since I started painting on ACP a couple of years ago. Essentially my conclusion is that no one really knows what the long term results of artistic painting on aluminium will be. Opinions on the topic are merely educated guesses. In another 200 years maybe we’ll have some definitive answers.

    Just wondering, you mention potential corrosion under paint applied to aluminium. Do you have any information on how or why the common white polyester coating on ACM itself offers protection from this corrosion? There seems to be a common assumption that the polyester layer on the aluminium is safe yet coatings applied by artists may not not be but I have never been able to find an explanation for this.

    The obvious issue with the idea of using a commercial non-artistic primer is that they are presumably not formulated with an archival result in mind. Who’s to say what reaction they may have with the artistic paint applied on top and that this isn’t potentially more of an issue than the possible corrosion of aluminium prepared with out such a primer? PY32 is used as an anti-corrosive primer in industry and is also available as an artists oil colour. I have used this on raw sanded aluminium and it is easy to add a dry ingredient to give extra tooth. You may want to look into it.

    • Scott Bennett August 15, 2017 at 1:16 pm #

      Hello Peter,

      It is true that many conclusions are educated guesses. It becomes more an issue of the quality of the testing done on the particular issue. With oil paints, for instance, we are finding out that testing virtually stopped a long time ago with the assumption that since it was such an old medium, there was nothing more to learn. Turns out not to be so. On to your questions and concerns:

      PY32 is a pigment – strontium chromate, that is a very opaque yellow color often used in various binders to make metal primers (primarily zinc, magnesium and aluminum ) that inhibit oxidation. It is also used in pyrotechnics as it is a strong oxidizer. Separate from the pigment, the particular primer’s properties would largely be dictated by the specific resin used for the binder. Urethanes, Alkyds and Epoxies are the most likely types of resins use, and each group has within it many types. We are familiar with chromate based metal primers, and these could, and are often used on aluminum for industrial use. But, we would generally not recommend using a fine art grade oil paint as a primer on metal as oil films would not have good adhesion with acrylic paints on top, and if you are painting with oils, then you would be limited to only using subsequent oil films that have a similar level of “fat-ness” or ratio of oil in the film. You must adhere to the fat over lean rule for a sound oil painting. There is a very good reason why oil films are not used in industry or for exterior applications – they do not perform well. The term “oil based” is sometimes seen on containers in hardware stores, but these are always alkyds, which are synthesized from various kinds of vegetable oils and more related to polyesters.

      You are certainly correct that the verdict is out on long term results of fine art painting on aluminum, especially since there are so many different kinds of aluminum and many different coatings and primers used. Along with various kinds of paints. Many variables. We do not have any test data on the veracity of polyester coatings on aluminum in terms of how well they perform over time. We suspect that the combination would last longer than any cotton canvas, which will lose half its tensile strength within 50 years or so and eventually become quite weakened over time. There is some literature on polyester powder coatings you can find online, but we have no test data.

      We know that polyesters are very stable molecules. We know that the testing we did showed very good adhesion of our paints and Gesso to the sanded Polyester coating. We would expect no adverse interactions between the coatings. We infer that the more industry controlled and applied polyester coating may have advantages over an individual applying some other kind of coating to some unknown type of aluminum. We have suggested in some cases that a product called Incralac (which is a type of acrylic ), could be used as a kind of translucent primer on aluminum that would also inhibit oxidation. It is known for this property and recommended for use on copper, bronze and brass on exterior objects. But, once again, we have no test data other than adhesion testing of our paints to the Incralac, which is quite good.

      It is important to point out that most paintings painted today, will have to wait many decades to see exactly how they will hold up. Oil paintings can be suspect as there is still so much we do not know or understand about oil films, and the very specific best practices for “fat over lean” are often not applied. We know more about acrylic films even though they are much younger as materials for artists. The category of “commercial coatings” does not preclude stability or long lasting qualities. And quite a bit of good, mostly harsh exterior testing, is usually done on these materials. The main issue with a lot of these materials is that they are typically hard and rigid films for use on functional surfaces. So best not used on flexible substrates like canvas.

      We feel pretty confident with our acrylic paints on top of certain types of commercial primers, such as specific types of alkyds and urethanes or polyesters,… assuming adhesion testing is positive and the specific product states clearly that water borne acrylic or “latex” coatings can be used on top. The companies making these coatings have all testing for this kind of application.

      In the end, though, you are correct to question all of these conclusions, and as always, we proceed with some element of risk no matter what materials we use.

      Here is a good article by Mark Golden about painting on metal, focusing on aluminum:

      Painting on Metal: An Introduction, by Mark Golden: http://www.justpaint.org/painting-on-metal-an-introduction/

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  1. Painting on Metal: An Introduction | Just Paint - January 11, 2017

    […] Best practice is to also lightly abrade the surface after degreasing with wet/dry sandpaper. Make sure to avoid sanding through the applied coating. Then wipe off any dust from the grinding process with the alcohol wipe before painting. The supplier or manufacturer of your panel would be able to provide their best advice for their coating system. Dibond® and Alucore® recommend this process for subsequent applications of coatings: 1. Pre-clean with Ethyl- or Isopropyl alcohol (apply to a lint free cloth first and not directly on surface). 2. Follow with a light buff sanding using 360 Wet/Dry sandpaper. 3. Remove dust with cloth moistened with the alcohol. 4. Allow sufficient time to dry. GOLDEN Materials and Application Specialist Scott Bennett, has written an article in JustPaint.org about best practices for painting on DiBond® (See http://www.justpaint.org/painting-on-dibond/) […]

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